You get to the end and you just turn it upside down again.

And, of course,Patty Griffin.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: You caught your cancer early, quite thankfully.

Patty Griffin (2019)Publicity

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And after you have a show you have a glass of wine, and you unwind.

But there is nothing worse you’re free to do for cancer, because its inflammatory.

You have to get super rigid for a little while.

After many years on the road, you develop these habits.

But they shifted along with being ill.

Even when I had appendicitis a few weeks ago I thought, I must have altitude sickness.

You have to deal with feeling like crap.

I began helping another musician in town diagnosed with Stage 4, this amazing bass player.

A week later, I was diagnosed.

What I got out of that moment is a song called Luminous Places.

You have this life in this body, and its really fragile.

One of the things I have seen traveling around is a search for identity.

Importing identities, wearing identities instead of being where we are and dealing with our history.

A big feeling that this is fd up, and I love it anyway.

And thats sort of what I have learned so far.

Do you think thats what happens?

Do we get another shot at life?Im willing to bet its continuous after our bodies are gone.

Just watch what a super elderly person has to contend with: they go blind, they go deaf.

And yet they arent scared.

And it never stops: there is a continuous starting over again.

But you keep going.

Nobody knows what any of this is, but you have to live it.

You cant hide from it.

Towards the end of that song, you say, I just wanna tear that old machine down.

If we imagined something else?

I have a strong belief in creativity in humans.

Its our biggest strength.

We are not questioning this world and we are just accepting ideas, not digging any deeper.

The root of it all is fear.

And not having enough.

On The Wheel, you allude to the murder of Eric Garner.

I dont think theres any one leader or movement that can change these things.

I think its something everyone out there has to do.

There was a time when we thought, we got this.

Its been a big weight as an older person to go, Wow.

We havent got this at all.

There is a lot that still needs to be evolving.

But then I realized, oh boy, I dont think I can.

I hope it makes people happy.

But its not party animal music.