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I think we really kept the end of it open-ended.
The ultimate goal was, can these two find their way back to each other?

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We felt like it had to happen by degrees.
We felt it had to happen personally first, which I think the death of Gordon enabled.
That beautiful Phoenix scene really captures how much these two have grown over the past four seasons.

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So, I think that scene was really born out of that.
like where there are lots of competing theories and one is right.
Is Joe going to stay in that school forever?

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Is this the real Joe?
Have we finally arrived, or is this just another iteration of that guy?
I think that you bring that answer to that scene.
Theyve done some pretty serious sh.
I think that what they were realizing was that couldnt be everything in their lives.
I think thats just not true in technology or any other field of human life.
I think that the characters really come to embrace that by the end of the season.
Do they lose out?
Sort of, but not in a huge way.
I think Joe moves on to try something different and a little bit more humble and noble.
I think Cameron is Cameron.
Donna may have an idea for them.
Shes also managing partner of a firm that shes molded in her image and feels good about.
I think that is really wonderful wisdom to impart them with as we leave them on their journey.
I think hes teaching because its a thing he loves and now hes not as tied to the outcome.
Like you said, hes not as tied to becoming the Google or the company that wins.
I think its fair to say this show was on the bubble for a lot of its run.
Would it have been easier to have been this consensus hit and kind rolled forward that way?
We really wanted to kind of play our music.
But in approaching the fourth season and knowing it was our last, we doubled-down on that.
Were married and weve got kids now.
We learned to approach our lives and our work a little differently through this experience.
I would love people to walk away and feel good.
I dont mean feel good like a Hallmark movie or anything.
That would be fine, too.